Michelle Obama‘s brother, Craig Robinson, is the only person interviewed in Netflix’s Becoming who doesn’t speak of the former First Lady with a tone of reverence in his voice.

Michelle Obama welcomed her husband and former President Barack Obama on her podcast to talk about raising children and their enduring love.

Barack was recently a guests, where they discussed the swell of divorce rumors that’s plagued the couple, parenting their daughters, and the hardships of marriage while in the White House. To promote the episode, they also partook in a TikTok challenge, where they revealed which one of them said “I love you” first.

Former President Barack Obama said on a Wednesday podcast that male friendship groups should have a homosexual friend. Obama made